SHOCK J  I'm on a Quad Core Intel and it won't launch for me either, so I think the app is broken. They will probably fix/repost new version asap.  
(Version 9.2)

BRUCEG  Thanks for the reply Shock J.   
(Version 9.2)

BRIAND  The realm of Roxio? I disagree. Toast upgrades are $80, a measly 20% off the new price, and you have to mail in a rebate form to get the upgrade discount. BBEdit upgrades are $30, a 75% discount from the new price without having to mail a rebate form. There's really no comparison between the two companies and their practices.  
(Version 9.1.1)

KAIDOH  ok, just to add a second observation on startup speeds: my hand stoped start times are

BBEdit 9.1.1: 8 sec

Word 2004: 65 sec

(both apps haven't been runing before the test as restarting an app is significantly quicker - my machine is a Macbook CD 2 GHz)

If BBEdit would take 65 sec it would drive me mad but I can live with 8 sec (and I'm starting it only once a day in the morning (and btw: yes, I'm cursing every day that makes me start sl-ugly Word))  
(Version 9.1.1)

MR650  Speed Issues in 9.1.1 with current updates seem to be much better than my first post. I did not notice anything in the release notes, but on a MacBook Pro 2.53 in either performance mode my startup times after initial launch are:

BBEdit 9.1.1: 3-4 sec.

Word 2008: 2-3 sec.

I did run a full Onyx cleaning on this system, which may account for some of the performance improvements. Previously, the launch time was about 10 times as long for BBEdit, but about the same for Word. So, if you have launch speed issues try doing 'irregular maintenance' and cache cleaning after applying all updates.

I always used BBEdit for text editing and never used TextEdit because the launch times of the previous versions of BBEdit were about the same as TextEdit (Instant). The fact that launching BBEdit and creating a new document was as quick as creating a new document in other running editors was one of the reasons I found the Application so compelling when it was bundled as an external editor with dreamweaver.

So, as far as speed is concerned I would say that there is a major improvement and it should not be considered a negative point if one is considering upgrading. That said, I would urge anybody thinking about making the purchase to try the demo ( http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/demo.html ) before spending any money.

As far as preferences, cosmetic issues, and unnecessary complexity go; I still feel that there is a lot of work to be done in this area. Without a doubt, the lessons in Help and the information in the BBEdit manual will improve most people's productivity within the application and in general. If you do not know how to work with regular expressions, then take a look at lesson 7 of help or read chapter 8 of the user guide. The find and replace functions of BBEdit are stellar and should be experienced by anybody trying the demo and all owners.

As far as the upgrade system, Roxio adds some significant features to Toast that do cost money in licensing fees, but there is still a big Popcorn/Toast feature scam occurring IMHO. I paid 29.95 to upgrade to Toast 10 and would only do 'not at the show' specials or other upgrades. It makes sense to both search for coupon codes and get the smithmicro and sonic emails if you use a lot of applications and tend to have a list of future purchases. The upgrade price for Toast 10 Pro is ludicrous, and I would hold off on that (still, they are charging you money for essentially integrating streamripper X into toast). At least Sonic TRYS to make Toast look like a single version without 'pay to use' features like their PC offerings. The reason I said BBEdit had entered that realm was that the new features tend to cater to new users and the application has been great as is for a long time. That makes upgrading less useful to many, not all, current users and buying the application as a new user somewhat tempting.

Even in the demo, one might feel slightly overwhelmed at the menubar madness. This is really an application that needs practice and reading to make use exceptional and the UI functional for many.

As for the Stuffitville issue. Stuffit never really made it far past OS 9. BBEdit was right there for the transition and for that I feel Barebones deserves two thumbs up. I don't have any major use for magic menu and no desire to use any disk doubleresque features in a modern OS. There are some limited uses, but the main sales point of that application is use of a proprietary encoding process that the free expander will already open. Upgrades to Stuffit almost feel like robbery. When an application changes from a numbering system to an 'Application 2009', scheme it had better have very few releases (01, 04, 08 word style) or it just seems like the reason to buy it is to have the 'newest stuff'. Plus, it seems like Stuffit is coded with an emphasis on deprecated functions and a hope that an OS upgrade will break the application. That kind of planned obsolescence makes it a very questionable buy, as it practically becomes a subscription model.

All of the products mentioned underwent what appears to be some level of corporate control or dictation of function for the purpose of marketing. Gone are the Made with BBEdit badges from all over the Barebones website. If your product allows people to build websites, shouldn't you promote your own use of that product for your site? Do you really want support through a mailing list? It does show you that BBEdit has a loyal following and you will be able to get help quickly. Personally, I like it. It's a hold over. It feels like 'under new ownership' with an emphasis on appearing professional. Why? Roxio went there and overboard with the animations. Eye candy is not needed to sell a text editor.

I like BBEdit and I use it every day. I don't like the way the upgrades seem marketed to new users. I find the application indispensable and gladly pay my upgrade fee; not just to support the developers, but because I have felt that BBEdit was an application that had the potential to improve significantly and already met my needs.

I honestly feel that the sweet spot for BBEdit upgrades are 2 versions at a time (7-9) instead of every release, unless there is an amazing new feature that you want. For people who are new users or just looking at the reviews on macupdate I cannot stress enough that this is a great tool and the demo is well worth using. If you do not need the power features use textwrangler. Either is a gateway application.  
(Version 9.1.1)

ZO219  Stuffitville! Oh noes! Where all once-decent software goes to DIE ...  
(Version 9.2)

EXORZIST   (sorry for my English)

BBEdit is a professional tool that fits the needs of many people, all in once. Thats why you can set all the things up like YOU want, but the factory-settings are ok to work with and other things you may change on the fly while working with a text-document.

| Preferences: did you ever used the text–search-field for a fast lookup? I don't see any confusion here. And did you forgot to say that the manual is written by a genius (or two:) and reading is fun? BTW - do you have a lot of recent items, some pointing to a server/network-location which could be unreachable at launching time? - lot's of fonts, some on (sometimes unmounted) volumes? Could this be a speed-issue?  
(Version 9.2.1)

FHAMPEL  I agree that the new find window is illogical: "find all" means something different, depending on whether the search target is a selection or the whole document.

However you can recover some of the missing functionality by selecting to the start (end) of the document with shift-cmd-up arrow (-down arrow). Then search in the selection.   
(Version 9.1)

FHAMPEL  Instead of "whole document" I should have said "from insertion point to end". This is the option triggered by unchecking "wrap around".  
(Version 9.1)

BRUMM  "this isn't a forum"

Very useful user feedback here, I like that.

I think MacUpdate is the right place to share user experiences otherwise it would be not much more than a listing of apps.

So everything alright here for me.  
(Version 9.0.2)

HAPPYSUDSY  It's a good thing Macupdate has a feature to the right of every application listed that lets you offer an alternative to this program. People doing it in the application space are for the most part just trolling and spamming. With the advent of the side request field, MacUpdate tries to discourage such things.   
(Version 9.1)

IERIKA  Thanks. I think they have to change the comments section like YouTube. Replies to comments are indented below instead of hiding.

Well...that's just my opinion.  
(Version 9.0)

STAINER  The slowness you are experiencing, could that be the AutoCompleteDelay setting?

From the BBEdit manual:

The delay can be adjusted from the command line if desired:

defaults write com.barebones.bbedit Editor:AutoCompleteDelay -float 0.5 # sets the auto-complete delay to half a second  
(Version 9.0)

IERIKA  Thank you. It helped.

But still there's no auto-enclosing of brackets etc.

I think BBEdit is well suited for programmers not for designers. By the way code-folding is great.  
(Version 9.0)

KAIDOH  There is autocompletion for HTML tags! All the entries from the HTML clippings are available through auto completion (check out if you have a HTML.html folder in the clippings section of your support folder - it should be there by default). There is also the Tag Maker in the Markup Menu (cmd+m by default). I recommend you check out the manual on BBEdit's plethora of HTML funcions (chapter 11).  
(Version 9.0)

IERIKA  Thanks I'll check that out.  
(Version 9.0)

KAIDOH  The search&replace functionality is still there, it is just less buttons. From the release notes:

“Selected text only” affects only the “Find All” and “Replace All” operations: if there is a selection range in the front document, this option will search only the selection range if turned on, or the entire document (starting from the top) if turned off.

“Wrap around” affects only the “Next”, “Previous”, “Replace”, and “Replace & Find” operations: if the search reaches the end of the document (or the beginning, if doing a “Previous”), then “Wrap around” will continue the search from the appropriate end of the document.

If you find it too confusing you can go back to the old modal find window via the option “Use modal Find dialog” in Preferences > Text Search.  
(Version 9.0)

DEREK.KEPNER  Doesn't Bare Bones TextWrangler (free) have everything you need?  
(Version 9.0)

TUTOR  They offer TextWrangler these days, which is BBEdit Light's successor.  
(Version 9.0)

DANA SUTTON  Text Wrangler is a text editor, not an html editor. Not so?  
(Version 9.0)

BOGEN  TextWrangler is as much an HMTL editor as BBEdit Light was!  
(Version 9.0)

CUBITUS  This is the first version of BBEdit I won't buy. I'm now a Textmate person. TextMate is less expensive and its plugin architecture makes it many times more versatile than BBEdit. (http://macromates.com/)  
(Version 9.0)